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And we have one of them hummers that we, I think we'll tell you how to report.

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The young man come in to report it to us and we went and checked on it and I also seen it.

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And he's here and I thought myself, so there's two of us that seen it.

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There was a red light with kind of a blueish green light and this thing chased him from east of Fairview about 23 miles east of Fairview all the way back into Fairview.

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And the speed is in excess of 120 miles an hour.

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Did we get his name?

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His name is Rick Helf.

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Rick?

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Helf. H-A-R-A-L-F-O-N.

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Rick.

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Okay.

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And his address?

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Sydney, Montana.

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And the object chased him?

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Yes, it chased him.

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It was at an elevation he figured above the ground at about 50 feet, I do too.

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And he's got anywhere from a half mile to a little closer.

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Okay.

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I chased him all the way.

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Could we get your name too?

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Pete Quinnell.

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T-U-I-N-N-E-L-L.

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And I'm the senior patrolman of the Fairview Police Department.

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Okay.

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Fairview, Montana.

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And this occurred this morning?

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Yep.

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At approximately quarter to three.

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Okay.

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He reported it to me at five minutes to three and I observed it myself at three o'clock.

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All right, sir, could we get back to you later for an interview?

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Last but not least.

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Great.

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And we thank you very, very much for calling.

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Where are you located at?

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Seattle, Washington.

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Seattle, Washington.

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Okay.

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Thanks very much.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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We would like to get a description of what you saw last night, if possible, beginning with the events that led up to this and then your actual sighting.

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Beginning with events that led up to it and the actual sighting.

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Yes.

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Well, I guess that was on duty last night.

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And I was just doing a routine patrol on this car coming down this...

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The one that contained this Haroldson kid.

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And he stopped and he came over to me and he says, you ain't gonna believe this.

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Which, you know, I didn't know what it was.

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We went out and looked, not from the stairs, but he said the reason I wasn't even believing was that...

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...Armpey could chase him back about 23 miles east of town here.

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Two thousand.

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That he speeds to the nearest of 120 miles an hour.

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And so that's what led me to go out there with him.

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He was with me when we went out.

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And we seen the thing.

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And it was just kind of a bright, blue-greenish light with kind of a fluorescent orange reveal.

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Not the bright red, but kind of a combination between red and orange.

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Colored flashing light on top.

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Which section of this guy was this in?

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Well, it was from where we were. It was straight east of town.

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And it followed him all the way from the junction.

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Highway US-I-E-A-5 and number 200 in North Dakota, all the way to Payson.

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Now as you were watching the object, did it remain stationary?

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It remained stationary for a while and then it moved sideways and up a little bit.

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Not very much, but 50 feet and back down sideways over to the side.

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How far away would you say that was, just an estimate?

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A mile.

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Okay.

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Then it came in closer than half those times.

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Were you able to detect any sound?

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No sound.

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How was the weather conditions there this morning?

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Last night they were extremely clear with starlit nights.

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Cold is about 20 degrees.

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Okay, how long did you watch that object?

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We watched it for half an hour, 20 minutes at least.

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And did it move away or you were still there?

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It finally moved down the side.

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Just that quick. Which direction?

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Which direction did it go?

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Then east and straight up.

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Straight up, okay.

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So you just couldn't see it?

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Clear night you could see it for a long time.

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Now all you could see then was light itself. You couldn't make out any hawk?

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No, I would say the area of light was about as big as the old Cadillac car.

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The bigger miles.

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It was pretty large size too.

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Did it have any defined shape to it?

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Kind of just round light.

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Straight round, okay.

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It was flashing light.

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It was kind of a blueish green light.

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Real bright light.

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Then you could see this bright orange light.

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Bright orange red light on top flash.

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But now when he first needed it was moving about 50 feet above the ground.

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Oh, the junction 85 and 200 about half mile and east of that junction.

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Moving above the hill about 50 feet above the ground.

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When he first needed it, I thought it turned right and came back.

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I see.

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When he turned around to come back it followed.

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It was an altitude of about 50 feet and it was 100 yards to half mile and 90 mile away.

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Okay, now you were in your patrol car when you were observing this?

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Yes, I was.

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Did you get any kind of radio interference?

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No, we didn't.

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And I talked with several patients to see if they could confirm seeing it.

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They couldn't see it from where they were.

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Uh-huh.

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Because it was 11 miles away.

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I see.

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In the air.

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And you didn't receive any additional calls at the department that night?

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No, we didn't.

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Okay.

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We just came up three o'clock this morning.

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Uh-huh.

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Okay, and there was no sound.

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And did the object at any time make any other than the up and down motion, any other movements?

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Well, uh, side to side.

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Side to side.

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Now did that light, the glow, not the light on top, but the glow, the round glow, did it change brightness at any time?

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Well, I gotta say, I don't know whether it was revolving or just like whether it was like one of these strobe lights just flashed.

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But it blinked on and off.

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Just continuously?

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Just continuously.

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Uh-huh.

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Okay.

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And then the both of you just drove back to town?

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Yeah, so I drove back.

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We drove back into town.

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I continued to watch as he went on home.

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Uh-huh.

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I don't think he left and I'm pretty worried.

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I don't know if he could have only him.

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How do you, you felt that you watched this for how long?

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Well, I would say 20 minutes.

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20 minutes?

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That's right.

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Okay, good.

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And it started following him about 10 months before he told me.

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And then I'm taking a breath in.

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And then it's probably in a second.

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Uh-huh.

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And then I moved it.

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And then I moved it.

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And then I moved it.

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And then I moved it.

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And then I moved it.

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And then I moved it.

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And then I moved it.

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And then I moved it.

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And then I moved it.

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And then I moved it.

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And then I moved it.

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You know the 5-M-E of the 500 and 3.

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Did it scare him?

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Did it scare him pretty bad?

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Yeah, it did.

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The stream went through the truth there.

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Uh-huh.

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Well sir, we sure want to thank you for giving us a call this morning on this particular

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And if we get any additional information on this, why we'll get back to you and let

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I don't know what it was, but it sure was weird.

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Is this the first time you've ever seen one of these UFOs?

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What was your opinion of them prior to this?

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I don't know, but it's a bullsh**t.

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I've never ever heard people say that.

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Well, we thank you again for giving us a call, and I hope that if anything else happens in your area, you'll notify us.

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Do you have any reports like this?

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Oh, yes.

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Was that the film?

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No, no.

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Did they come in for more content?

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We were up all night last night getting reports from all over the Northwest, the United States.

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What was the similar to ours?

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There were two close approaches, and then the others were fairly high altitude objects.

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So was there someone who did the one that happened here?

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No, not that close.

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Well, I had a camera to start with, but I was given a thought to try and take pictures of the show afterwards.

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I was just trying to show you that.

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I had a four-way camera.

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I'm guaranteed to have everything when I get my stuff, that's what I'm trying to do.

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Well, if you ever do, be sure to let us know.

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Okay, sir. Thank you very much.

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Bye.

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Are you trying to get hold of me?

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Yes, sir, we have.

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We're very interested in getting a rundown on your experience early this morning.

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Yeah, that was something else.

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Okay, now, why don't you start right from the beginning, whatever led up to this, and then give us a full description of what happened.

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Okay, well, I work in Ray North Dakota.

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I was over here visiting my fiancee, and about two o'clock last night I left.

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And I was driving back, so I could be back to work this morning.

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And I was driving along, and I was going out towards this, you go through this town called Terview, and then you go east up to this corner.

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And then there's this corner where you meet another highway that goes north south.

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And I travel that road all the time, and I'm pretty familiar with everything that's going on around there.

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And I could see this light up there. It was kind of an orange-y-red light, and it wasn't really flashed, and it was kind of just vibrating, blinking like.

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Yes.

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And at first I just thought it was a car, tail light.

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But when I got up closer up to it, I could see that it was just one light.

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And for some reason I didn't want to go up there, because I heard that they had some fighting over in the eastern part of North Dakota yesterday.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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And where was this at, do you remember?

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No, I don't.

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Okay.

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But so I stopped. There was a dip in the road, and I stopped down at the bottom of that, and I pulled off into Approach, and I looked up there.

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And it was above the highway. There's a hill above the highway, and it looked like it could have probably been setting up on that hill.

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It's above the north-south highway there.

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That's 85?

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Right.

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Okay.

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So I turned around because I know a gravel road I didn't want to go through.

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So I knew a gravel road that I could go around that thing on.

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And when I turned back, I decided, well, I'll stop at one of these farmhouses here, you know, and see if somebody could see what it is with me.

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Yes.

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But I pulled this farmhouse, and it didn't look like anybody was around.

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So I started pulling out of the farmhouse to go back on the highway, and I looked up, and it was coming towards me.

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And so I turned to the west and got up to about 60 miles an hour, and I saw a green light come on.

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And then it scared me, so I just put it to the floor.

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And my car is a kilometer wide, 100 miles an hour, and I had it down way past that.

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I could see the thing in my rearview mirror inside the car.

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It was behind me, but, you know, and it had both lights on.

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And then the greenish-blue light on it got really bright, and it rolled up.

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And I couldn't see it in that mirror anymore, but I could see it on the mirror from the outside.

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Okay, now are you still on highway 85 when all this is going on?

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Let's see. I'm on that highway. I don't know exactly what the number is. It's east to west.

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Okay, that's 200. Okay.

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Yeah.

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I'm on that highway, and I'm going back towards Fairview.

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Right.

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And when that, and it just stayed back there, almost all the way, there was one point.

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Just as there was a town called Cartwright, and I came over this hill, and I lost sight of it for a second there.

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And there was a car coming off the side road, and it turned and went east, and I lost sight of it until I lost sight of that car.

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And then it was there behind me again.

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And it was flying. It was about anywhere from 50, you know, at times it was about 50 feet above the ground.

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At times it was like maybe 400 feet above the ground.

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And when it was up there high, I could see it on the outside review mirror.

249
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And the closest it got to me, I would say, was a little under half a mile, and I was just before Fairview there.

250
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And I turned into Fairview, and you come across, and you turn, to come into Fairview from the highway, you have to turn south.

251
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And when I turned south into Fairview, it went south, to the north, and then to the north.

252
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And then we went back to the east, and then to the east.

253
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And we set up on a hill, and Washington, they just sat there.

254
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And when we went back into town, it came back into town, toward the town.

255
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Okay, now I'm going to go back a little bit to Highway 85 before you turn on the 200.

256
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Now, when you first picked this thing up, and it started approaching you, did it approach from the rear, or was it coming in from your right or your left?

257
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Okay, now I was, I never got onto Highway 85.

258
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I never got onto the east.

259
00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,000
Oh, I see, okay.

260
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I was going east on 200, and I stopped before the junction.

261
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I see, okay.

262
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I was about maybe a half a mile from that junction, when I stopped.

263
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And I sat there, and I looked at it, and I turned my radio off and everything, because I thought maybe it was a helicopter setting up there.

264
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And I couldn't hear anything.

265
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And so I knew it wasn't a helicopter, and that's the only thing that I knew that could be, you know, sit there like that.

266
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And so I turned around, and I went back, and I decided, well, I'll pull into this farmhouse, you know.

267
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Right.

268
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And there was no one there.

269
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So when I was coming out of the farmhouse, the farmhouse was on the north side of the road.

270
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Okay.

271
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And I was coming back onto Highway 200, and I looked off to my left there, and there it was.

272
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It was coming right before me.

273
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And so I turned to the right there, coming back west.

274
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And when I started picking up speed, that's when that green light came on.

275
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And, you know, from then on, it was right there with me.

276
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Now, what part of the object was this green light located on?

277
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It was kind of on the underneath of it.

278
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On the other side.

279
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Okay.

280
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Now, how about the color of the top side?

281
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I can't see.

282
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There was that reddish-orange white.

283
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But it didn't look for sure if it was on the top.

284
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It looked kind of like it was at an angle, you know.

285
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Okay.

286
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And at all times, you were watching this out of your rear view mirror.

287
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Right.

288
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I could see it, except for that one spot when I met that car.

289
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I couldn't see it.

290
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,000
I didn't see it then.

291
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And it was low enough then so that you had no problem seeing it through your mirror in the window.

292
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,000
Right.

293
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,000
Okay.

294
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,000
And it did it.

295
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:14,000
So, when it was pacing you, following you, did it stay with the highway or go to the left or right at any time?

296
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:21,000
The only time I think that it got off the highway was when the highway curved around the car right there.

297
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Because I couldn't see it.

298
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,000
But I don't know if it was up higher than I could see.

299
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I think it was to the right of me.

300
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Because when you're coming west, the highway goes to the left.

301
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And it comes back to the right.

302
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,000
And when I came back to the right, there it was, behind me again.

303
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,000
I see.

304
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,000
Okay.

305
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:46,000
How about the altitude off of the roadway?

306
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000
Could you estimate that?

307
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How high was it?

308
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,000
Right.

309
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,000
Right.

310
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Oh.

311
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:58,000
It was like, at times it was, say, 50 feet above the ground.

312
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I see.

313
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That's pretty close.

314
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,000
It was.

315
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I knew it was from the helicopter.

316
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:07,000
Because I told the helicopter that I have never heard of his little cobra,

317
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as I can do about 120 miles an hour.

318
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,000
Okay.

319
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,000
Then this object was all light.

320
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,000
You couldn't see any openings or appendages or anything?

321
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,000
No.

322
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,000
I couldn't.

323
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:28,000
But that blue screen light, it, well, when it lit up, it looked like it was probably about the size of an airplane.

324
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I see.

325
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:37,000
And then it maintained pretty much the same altitude at all times, but it did get closer.

326
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,000
Right.

327
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,000
Well, it varied from, say, like 50 to 400 feet.

328
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But it was usually right around 50 feet.

329
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,000
Okay.

330
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000
Now, when it went up to about this 400 foot altitude.

331
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That's when I got around the hills.

332
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,000
But in other words, how were you watching at that time?

333
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,000
Out the window or still in the mirror?

334
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,000
I could watch it in the mirror.

335
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,000
I have a mirror on my left-hand side.

336
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,000
Oh, I see.

337
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,000
You have the outside mirrors.

338
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,000
Okay.

339
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,000
That's what, that's what, I could, when it rolls up, I can't see it on from the inside mirror.

340
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,000
Like I looked out my, on the outside mirror and I could see it in that.

341
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,000
Okay.

342
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,000
Now, how close would you say the closest approach to you was?

343
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000
I know this is kind of difficult.

344
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,000
In between a quarter of a mile and a half a mile.

345
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Quarter and a half a mile, okay.

346
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:31,000
I work with measurements all, you know, if I was to grasp and we work with, you know,

347
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,000
measurements like that.

348
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,000
And I could judge pretty close to the, how close it was.

349
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,000
Okay.

350
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:43,000
Now, just before you got into the town, did the object just pull off and stop somewhere?

351
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,000
No, no.

352
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,000
Yeah.

353
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,000
After I stopped, it stopped.

354
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,000
I see.

355
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,000
Okay.

356
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,000
I stopped to talk to that police.

357
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To the officer.

358
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,000
Right.

359
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,000
And it just plain stopped.

360
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,000
Right.

361
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000
And it just put it over there.

362
00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:03,000
And I didn't know for sure, really for sure if that was really it when I was talking to

363
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,000
him.

364
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,000
When we moved back out, I kept an eye on it because I thought that was it.

365
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:13,000
And when we started going out, I thought going with us and then I shoulder, shoulder to him.

366
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000
Uh-huh.

367
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,000
And he looked over and saw it.

368
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,000
And then eventually this thing just shot away?

369
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,000
Yeah, it went way up in the sky.

370
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,000
Uh-huh.

371
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,000
Okay.

372
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000
And I just looked over here and I shoulder to my mother.

373
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,000
You know, I drove over here to Sydney.

374
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000
We haven't told him how she went to see.

375
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000
You know, she said she would like to see it.

376
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,000
So I just opened up the window and shoulder to her.

377
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,000
It was still out there.

378
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,000
It was still out there.

379
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,000
There was still a fairly high altitude there.

380
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,000
Yeah.

381
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,000
Okay.

382
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,000
It just looked like a bright star.

383
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,000
Uh-huh.

384
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,000
Uh-huh.

385
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,000
How long would you say that this whole episode lasted?

386
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,000
Uh, from the time I saw it?

387
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,000
Yes.

388
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:59,000
Well, I saw it at about, well, it was three o'clock when I got into Fairview.

389
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:04,000
And I was doing 120 miles an hour and that's 20 miles.

390
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:10,000
And I slowed down one time to about 85 miles an hour.

391
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:19,000
So I probably saw it at about 10-10 or maybe, you know, so I saw it for about two, two and a half hours.

392
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,000
Okay.

393
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,000
Then you first spotted it at about 10 to what?

394
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,000
10 to three.

395
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,000
10 to three, okay.

396
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:33,000
And I quit looking at it at about 5.30.

397
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,000
During the entire observation, did this object maintain that green light on the bottom?

398
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,000
No, it never.

399
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:48,000
It, uh, when midnight patrolmen went out to look at it, it was setting over there and all you could see was the red light.

400
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,000
I see.

401
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:54,000
And when it, when it was swept, it looked just like a white light.

402
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,000
Uh-huh.

403
00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:04,000
We got this guy's 30-odd 6-oz. to a scope on it to look at it and all you could see was a white light on it then.

404
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,000
I see.

405
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,000
Okay.

406
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:13,000
Okay, I think that's just about, uh, is there anything that you could add to that?

407
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000
I don't know.

408
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,000
What was your opinion of UFOs before this happened?

409
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,000
Well, I, I had always wanted to really see one.

410
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,000
Uh-huh.

411
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,000
But, uh, I didn't want one like that, you know.

412
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,000
And, you know, I kind of, I believe in them.

413
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,000
You know, I believe that, you know, that I've made a believe real to me.

414
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,000
Okay.

415
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,000
While this object was pursuing you, were you, uh, was your car radio playing?

416
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,000
No, I wasn't.

417
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,000
I had to tape players on.

418
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,000
Okay, was there any interference on that?

419
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,000
No, there wasn't.

420
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000
How about your engine or your headlights?

421
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000
Were there any interference in either one of those?

422
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,000
No.

423
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000
No electrical trouble at all?

424
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,000
No.

425
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,000
Okay.

426
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,000
How about the, uh, traffic on the highway, Rick?

427
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,000
Was there, uh,

428
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,000
Wasn't anybody.

429
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000
Is this unusual for that highway?

430
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,000
No, it isn't.

431
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,000
Not at three o'clock in the morning.

432
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,000
I see.

433
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,000
Okay.

434
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,000
Did you see anybody, uh, in the area after?

435
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,000
No.

436
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,000
Okay.

437
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:19,000
There was that, well, that car that I met, you know, when I was coming and they were

438
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,000
going the other way, but me and the patrolman were sitting there watching that thing.

439
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,000
It looked, I'm sure, I told about the towing, I was sure that there was that car that was

440
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000
going west and it came back east.

441
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000
And that was on highway 200.

442
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,000
Right.

443
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,000
Right.

444
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,000
Okay.

445
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:40,000
Now, while you were going through this experience, did you have any, uh, strange, uh, physical

446
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,000
or mental feelings at all?

447
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,000
Other than being scared?

448
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,000
Well, no.

449
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,000
I just, you know, I just thought, wow, why me?

450
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,000
You know.

451
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,000
Uh-huh.

452
00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:00,000
I was wondering what it was, what they were, you know, what they were wanting.

453
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,000
Yes.

454
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:07,880
Well, Rick, uh, we really appreciate your calling and, uh, giving us all of this information.

455
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,880
If we send you a questionnaire, would you take the time to fill it in?

456
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:12,880
You better.

457
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,880
Because we feel that, uh, this experience that you've had is of great scientific value

458
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,880
and we need all the data we can get on it.

459
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,880
Yeah, I sure will.

460
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:20,880
Yeah.

461
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,880
This is something that I'm kind of interested in myself.

462
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:24,880
Fine.

463
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:25,880
Okay.

464
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,880
Well, we'll send you a little literature on the subject.

465
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:28,880
You might find that interesting.

466
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:29,880
Yeah, okay.

467
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,880
That sounds good.

468
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,880
And thanks again for talking to us.

469
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:32,880
You're welcome.

470
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:33,880
Thank you.

471
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:34,880
Bye.